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We were driving home headed east on northern lights near lake otis when we spotted a large white orb flying below the cloud line, which was headed south, and quickly shifted right, then dropped altitude quickly at an angle, and then dissapeared. we were unable to locate it's origin, but it was not a plane over the city at 1:19am, and it was too large to be a drone and it moved to quickly to be a plane or helicopter. after leaving the area, we were nearly home when the passenger witnessed, also at the cloud line and high above the trees, a red light which shot up into the clouds vertical while flashing 3 times. then, this object was also gone. this was at 1:32am. what really makes this experience strange is not having our dash camera on the dash when this all happened, in fact, even after seeing the first object we were so psychologically affected we forgot to mount the camera before the second sighting.